grendelkhan ([info]grendelkhan) wrote,
@ 2007-10-07 20:30:00
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on the animus and the anima.
I read a thought-provoking bit that I'd found to Carin, and she agreed to draw her male and female aspects if I'd write a post about the idea of that duality as it applies to me. There's a rather excellent drawing of male and (especially-)female versions of her sitting on the bed. (I'm constantly impressed by the art she does, and have to keep reminding myself not to tell her to draw this and that, as she's not my art-monkey.) In any case, thus follows my half.

Were I a more well-read fellow, I would get my quotes straight from the source... but as I'm embedded in this intellectually narrow circle-jerk which we call the internet, I get it all once removed from the source. So, I'll quote Chet Hawkins here.
I read Robert Bly's book Iron John (this was when that short-lived "men's movement" thing was starting up). I had read a lot of Bly's poetry as an undergraduate, so I read this book too. A lot of it seemed pretty silly to me, but there was one passage that struck me like a hammer to the forehead. What it said was, the Woman With the Golden Hair does not exist. What Bly meant by that was, a lot of men are looking for their anima -- the term Jung gave to the feminine side of a man's personality. But what a lot of men in a patriarchal culture do not understand is that the anima is part of them, and is not to be found in another person. This is because men in a patriarchal culture are taught precisely that they don't have an anima: that there is nothing feminine about them, or if there is, that it is a bad thing and must be suppressed. Unfortunately, what this means is that a lot of guys who are a bit of a mess (and who isn't, really?) tend to project their anima onto the women they see around them.
This struck me as a particularly apt way of putting it. It also sounds like the sort of thing I'd probably heard of during my Women's Studies days, but which hadn't come up for a few years--so I get to figure it out anew.

I'm not advocating difference feminism here; pretty much the opposite. The idea isn't that there are male and female people which are fundamentally different and must work together for a society to function, but rather that the animus and anima within each person are fundamentally opposed but must create a synthesis for that individual to be healthy.

To be clear, I'm not using the words quite as Jung, or even Bly, did; when I write animus, I mean the masculine aspect of a person, male or female; when I write anima, I mean the feminine aspect of a person, male or female. (Jung apparently used the words to refer to the hidden half of a person--men had a hidden anima, women a hidden animus--but I may be getting this wrong.) And, of course, the very idea of what traits fall into each category is hopelessly mushy, dependent completely on one's culturally-based notions of masculinity and femininity. Someone raised in the Tchambuli culture, for example, would have a very different set of notions. I don't want to give the idea that I'm pretending to have access to some sort of universal truth, nor am I reifying these terms. They're just useful metaphors used to consider my own navel.

Enough ass-covering.

My animus consists of my competitive side, my enjoyment of physical exertion, of working up a good sweat and feeling strong and graceful. It's my appreciation of things gadgety and mechanical. When commenting, it's my urge to take apart a commenter with whom I disagree, or my satisfaction at constructing a good analogy. When reading, it's an appreciation of fantastic tales of magnificent scope and triumphant imagination. And it's my lust, of course.

My anima consists of my compassion and my appreciation for beauty. It's my occasional urge to do something nice for someone else, to get someone a present or to offer to cook for them. When commenting, it's my desire to keep reading until I can see where another person is coming from and add their perspective to my own. When reading, it's a desire to expand my understanding and broaden my frame of reference.

On a completely different scale, it struck me as especially powerful and beautiful that the human body, even when it seems to be in a steady state, is the product of competing engines of creation and destruction called anabolism and catabolism, respectively, each roaring along inside those tiny molecular foundries called cells. Take away half of the process, and the result is incompatible with life; it's only in balance, in synthesis, that we flourish.


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[info]mesoterica
2007-10-11 11:18 pm UTC (link)
This is totally fascinating to me in a way I am far too exhausted right now to articulate. But I thought I'd share my excitement, at least :) I hope Carin will consider posting the drawing, too - now I'm intrigued as hell to see what she makes of this in herself.

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[info]velourmane
2007-10-18 11:04 am UTC (link)
Hi. This is Mandolin from a comment thread on Pandagon where you asked about Borderline Personality Disorder. I responded to you and then left the thread, just coming back to it now (something reminded me), so I didn't see your questions.

Your father probably wasn't short-handing bitches is crazy; the event you described sounds very typical of BPD, which involves inappropriate issues with attachment and attention-seeking. People with borderline tend ot have difficult with the concepts of boundaries with strangers, and also tend to want a lot of attention -- both of which are on display in the incident that you described. If you asked her what was going on, she'd probably have a different interpretation.

It's been a while since I read the DSM, but IIRC all the debates correctly, Histrionic Personality Disorder has an unfortunate name and isn't really distinct from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (except that I think it has some features which involve inappropriate expression of sexuality, and overattention to appearance and stuff, which is pretty consistent with Narcissistic traits, except for being affected by female socialization). Probably in some future revision of the book, they'll fold the two together.

There is quite a controversy over whether Borderline exists. Having known a few individuals (one of them male) who exemplified the text book traits, I'd argue that it probably does. It seems to be a sort of social twin of antisocial personality disorder -- most often in boys, the fractured identity and anger are directed outward (creating ASPD); most often in girls, they're directed inward (creating BPD). I would argue that this happens because of the ways girls and boys are socialized, not a difference in biology.

There are interesting books on Borderline which I don't, unfortunately, remember the titles of right now, but you can probably find them in the psychology section at your local bookstore, or online.

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[info]velourmane
2007-10-18 11:06 am UTC (link)
(For the record, there's sort of an argument over whether or not most of the DSM disorders exist -- it's just that BPD and HPD have a connection to feminist arguments. The brain tends to break in predictable ways when placed under pressure [stress], and those predictable ways can be broken down into constellations of systems that look like diseases. However, people are individual, and so the text book descriptions of the illnesses may look a lot like someone who actually has the disorder, or may not. It's a rough guide.

This doesn't hold as much for some of the more biologically based illnesses such as bipolar, cyclothymia, and schizophrenia.)

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